Cheyenne and their patents

[fkirons]

As much as I tried to stay away from this subject I couldn't resist to add my opinion.

We all should respect patents. Infringing a patents "acknowledging it" is plain rude and unethical business decision.
Cheyenne does have a patent for their cartridges and their patents should be respected. Now, patents are very tricky and some times by slightly changing a design or function you could patent a whole product of your own. Messed up?? maybe...

I think that T-Tech could have done a better job at designing a cartridge of their own with their own fitting system and gripcompete with a product of their own creation, rather than introducing a cheap version of the Hawk Cartridge, because that's what they are too me.

I think that great ideas should be protected but at the same time there it needs to be some room for others to evolve without crossing the fine line.
I'm sure Cheyenne spent way too much money to allow someone to make profit on their creation. Do I think the membrane situation is a deal breaker?? Well, not when I cannot dispose the tube I use. DO I think Cheyenne has a valid point in here?, of course I do. They took the necessary steps to make their work "theirs"

[Tazman]

Ok let's face it, there will always be design spin offs and improvements. As far as hawk and ttech, ttech saw a market and a need to a hawk alternative that was cheaper and they met that demand. I just could not bring myself to buy hawk carts for that price, especially when I don't have a hawk machine. I like the looks and feel of the ttech grips and they serve their purpose very well. I don't see hawk advertising to all other machine users about converting to hawk grips and carts.

We have bishops, neotats, impacts, and many more slider style machines, every one had to have been inspired by something or someone! If hawk has the quality and the superior design than their customers will stay loyal to the product. If not than ttech is the alternative. I don't think that anyone should have a monopoly on an idea, otherwise we end up with $5 gas prices and a product that can't be regulated by competitors. Competition is what drives the economy.

[fkirons]

Ok let's face it, there will always be design spin offs and improvements. As far as hawk and ttech, ttech saw a market and a need to a hawk alternative that was cheaper and they met that demand. I just could not bring myself to buy hawk carts for that price, especially when I don't have a hawk machine. I like the looks and feel of the ttech grips and they serve their purpose very well. I don't see hawk advertising to all other machine users about converting to hawk grips and carts.

We have bishops, neotats, impacts, and many more slider style machines, every one had to have been inspired by something or someone! If hawk has the quality and the superior design than their customers will stay loyal to the product. If not than ttech is the alternative. I don't think that anyone should have a monopoly on an idea, otherwise we end up with $5 gas prices and a product that can't be regulated by competitors. Competition is what drives the economy.

So basically you are saying that is OK to knock off a product for the sake of a discount??. Search for Spektra Halo on ebay...you can buy them for $39 bucks, I cannot even buy a motor for that money. T-Tech is not an alternative to me, it's an insult to intellectual rights.
I think T- Tech should have design their own system. Change it around and make it completely different. the fact that they did it to fit on a Hawk is a big slap on their faces.
This is not competition, this is ripoff.

[slicksteel]

The bottom line is the whole idea of patents/copy right only holds the poor down and rewards the rich. I believe the world would be better with out any type of patents etc. The pool of ideas would be endless and just as some one would spring of your ideas and use them ,you could to. Progress in all things would be very fast. And you would not lose money infact you would make more money as you would learn from others mistakes and not waste tons of money on R&D as well as others learning from yours. The whole idea of not sharing knowledge and ideas to the rest of the human race is stupid ,greedy & childish. So what if you spent time and money on something-look at as a contribution to the human races pool of knowledge and advancement.



update this was not directed at anyone just in general-

[artoftatt2]

Actually if you look into it cheyenne diddint invent that needle system.. They just copyrighted it.. So does that make them still the ones being slighted?

[crabink]

I would love to use Cheyenne cartridges, but 10 for 30.00? fuck me... would cost me 550.00 a month to use them... and that's a soft 6 cartridges a day estimate

Would love to see Gaston make his own t tech cartridges (loves putting ideas in his head), and make em better and different than Cheyenne to not infringe upon the patent rights and sell em for 1.00 each like t tech.

note to Gaston .. make em 1/4 turn to lock .. black.. 1.00 each

[peezie]

Actually if you look into it cheyenne diddint invent that needle system.. They just copyrighted it.. So does that make them still the ones being slighted?

Hey Art, I'm not saying you're wrong as I don't know what's been out there in regards to needle cartridges. Just curious, if not cheyenne, then who invented the cartridge with a membrane and same back connector that twists to lock? Can you point me in the right direction to look it up? I've yet to see a similar needle cartridge system like cheyennes. Here's a machine that was passed down from my mom that is more than 20 years old (She preferred her coils though which she also passed down). This used to be patented. You can see the patent numbers on the side. International patent.
20130626_211728.jpg20130626_211812.jpg
Cartridge system with direct drive plunger that don't fit Cheyenne. Completely different way of doing things though. Has a grip and carts can be pulled on and off on the fly. Cheyennes system is similar but definitely different enough to be patented in the USA.

[slicksteel]

Actually if you look into it cheyenne diddint invent that needle system.. They just copyrighted it.. So does that make them still the ones being slighted?

Tru-that is what i am saying if companies have the money they can take other people's ideas and copyright them and pretend they were theirs.

[artoftatt2]

It's been years since I've seen it but it was the same twist lock cartridge.. I'm not a huge fan of cheyenne considering the fact that they don't care about tattooers.. Although I do use their products hopefully ill be all flite soon.. But I deff don't see anyone bad mouthing the guys that came out with grips for the cartridges after cheyenne already had a grip.. I know of at least four companies stepping on their toes over that one and its just the same...

[artoftatt2]

And personally I don't give a shit... I use whatever helps me feed my kids and do better tattoos.. I live in the USA , our forefathers stole everything to build this country. I don't see people getting upset about that.. Yet everyone finds time to get upset over a knock off or other stupid shit.. Who cares.. If you make something good and are a good person ill buy your product if its worth a fuck.. If you are a shit bag and point fingers and worry about the wrong things that's less time you have to better your self or company.. This isint targeted toward any one... Trust me I will tell anyone I have an issue with point blank.. Rant over