coilike rotary

[skinmech]

I need to add, I actually read through your entire post, the one above mine....What the hell were you basing your judgement on....I make NO SECRET that I am a Mod on a Coil Forum, BUT, I promote both Mediums to everyone....I don't like when anyone provides an inaccurate assumption/opinion based on their experience....So Please elaborate....

[cagelavey]

I now only have a couple eikon green machines, because if I do use coils I like the fact that I can set up the true springs the same every time I need to. every thing else ive gotten rid of to fund my rotary expenditures. like I said im not dissing coils, they have their place and are enjoyable to use from time to time. but before I started using green machines, I had no problem tuning my other machines I could put together any tattoo machine and make it run well, a lot of the artist loved the way I tuned them and would often look to me to tune their machines. however I found that if you wanted the machine to run like it did before you re-springed it previously, to do so it was my understanding that the same spring tension and placement would be required to get the same desired effect as before. to calculate this exactly other tools were helpful. my only disagreement was that if someone wanted a "coil-like" rotary all you should do is purchase a coil instead. to me that rung false so I felt compelled to disagree. in essence if having a maintenance free, convenient, consistant setup, without the hassle of having to set-up the machines when they eventually need retuning, and if you like the quietness of a rotary and still want the ability to tattoo similar as you may have with a coil, then it in my opinion it is not as simple as just buying a coil. that was all I was trying to convey. I do though like the true spring setup on my eikons, but switching from conventional springs to the true set-up i'd say contributed quite a bit to my desire and eventuality of me using rotaries. all is personal preference. but when considering sound and maintenance this is my unadulterated opinion on the subject, im sure many disagree.

[cagelavey]

I wasn't trying to be inaccurate in any way, as I always state these are just my opinions, I respect the differences of everyone's opinions, yours included. but I cant convey any advice unless it is based on my experiences, anything else would be embellished and untrue. I still have love for coils, and if you want to get a coil with a conventional spring set-up, it is quite possible to set it up without additional tools and it run similar as it did before but I was merely trying to convey that a lot of the guess work is removed by using other tools to do so, and in doing so they would be set up with quite a bit more accuracy than without them. buying a rotary that functions like a coil alleviates this need completely. if that is something important to the person that posted this thread. which I must assume is or he would have just said where can I get a good coil? . that was my only point that I wanted to state sorry if I didn't articulate this well enough and in no way was I trying to offend anyone

[skinmech]

I ran Greenies, way back, they are NOT a Machine to Benchmark Coil Experience on..... I also ran tru-spring......I am asking you, what experience do you have with Coil Machines, to base your judgement on...It is a simple question.....

[skinmech]

Here was my Carved Greenies in case any one thinks I am shit talking....lo.jpg

[cagelavey]

I have used jonesy's I have had several micky sharpz(older and newer models). a couple martinis(which I liked a lot) and ive had one aaron cain a few years back. I know higher grade machines stay tuned longer without having to continuously tune them but having to tune them is an eventuality. and I wasn't using my green machines as a bench mark, i thought you were asking what machines I was using. ive used plenty other machines. some of them were amazing. the only thing I was trying to point out is getting a "coil like" rotary, can not be solved by just getting a coil. if there are aspects of a coil that you do not like then obviously that is why he wants a "coil like" rotary and not just a coil. and me trying to make that point has nothing to do with what coils ive used. but again there is no need for animosity, and in no way was I trying to mislead anyone. I was trying to point out that rotaries are maintenance free and coils are not, that's all I was trying to say. not that one is better than the other, I like rotaries more, but that's just me.

[cagelavey]

one art, one love, different tools

[skinmech]

I totally agree with you cagelavey on the principle of "achieving the same" ...However,I still disagree with your opinions...For instance..Higher grade machines stay tuned longer, blah, blah.....Sorry Mate, but you are talking shite,,,

I do not advocate, or promote the benefits of one Machine over the other, so I will keep my mouth shut on this...Drop me a pm...

[cagelavey]

its all preference, and I wont stay neutral on it if I disagree, I do on the other hand advocate one over the other, if you do not, that however is your prerogative. I can show you endless threads with many avocations one way or the other, it is personal preference. I cant say I like coils over rotaries, or that coils are more convenient because I just don't believe it. you don't have to agree or advocate the same thing, but that is because of what I feel on the issue, which is from my personal use with machines from both sides of the fence. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, that's not my intent. my intent was to provide an opinion to the guy that posted this thread. and I think that it is a little ridiculous that I was needed to elaborate on what I meant, when I spoke very clearly and concise on what I felt and disagreed with. but a statement as vague and uninformative and completely off topic as "just buy a coil" required no elaboration? I have never posted anything on this forum as being fact, and have always maintained that what has escaped my keyboard was opinion only, never have I tried to be matter of a fact about anything. so asking me to pm you after saying im talking "shite" and thinking a makes that statement kosher, well I guess I just disagree with that also. I have used quality machines on both sides, coil, and rotary alike. so if I believe one is better than the other(when on the subject of maintenance and convenience, not ability), in my OPINION only, and state as much. where is the shite in that? this forum is founded on personal experience, and the freedom of shared information, I have disagreed with a lot of things posted here, but never have I belittled anyone for what they believe to be true. I have only ever kindly disagreed and moved on. you have the same opportunity to state your opinion on the matter and as to why you disagree, you've yet to do that. maybe if you had I could have seen the error in my thinking, but I suppose, shite, and blah, blah, blah, are really valid points. I will stand behind what I said and continue to believe it. I don't like having to tune the machines I use, I like the fact that I don't have to do so with roteries. I love the way the halo and gen 8 preform, among others. if that is shite, well then "im on a roll like cottonell, and I was made for this shite!" like you said we can pm each other now that ive responded to what you've written. I don't feel we are any longer benifiting anyone with this line of discussion sorry to the person who posted this thread, it was not my intent to highjack this thread to debate my ideas. you may use or reject what ive said its all just my opinion and worth whatever its worth. ill end it all with a so you know its all ok, peace

[cagelavey]

polynesianworks I want to apologize to you, it wasn't my plan to use what you said in a negative light. I guess I just got worked up a little, I don't agree but I shouldn't have used your comment to make my point. you have my sincerest apology.