Im from Singapore and i cant watch it over youtube too.
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Im from Singapore and i cant watch it over youtube too.
same problem here (sweden) can't see the video... =(
ok i figured it out. I guess you guys cant see it over seas cause of the song it had going on in the back ground. Or Rage against the Machine is banded from your country lol. I will make another one tonight when i get home from work and post it. Sorry about that.
any chance you're going to have a needle clip or some such addition? The 2 machines I have settled into using are the Dragonfly and the Stigma Fly both have eliminated the need for rubberbands for me - I really am done with rubberbands and I am NOT digging the needlerunner things.
i made the mistake mentioning my light, the BIG body that alot of people are calling it is limitless to its additions and components. Im not marketing any of its accessories anymore till the testimonials are up. The anticipation will make it more exciting!
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Originally Posted by elbo
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Originally Posted by Alie K
Ok, so just curious - elbo saw it on ebay for $600, stigmas and dragonflys etc are in that range, but you say it's priced well under (but will cost $100 more with light and prong cord adapter). So, what are you going to retail them for (or is that Top Secret?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberitual
Its not cool to to hiding things if you want people spend in front 600 dollar for a machine you dont know when you can produce it !
This will not work !
Ok, every machine is assembled by hand, I have two others besides me that can do that. I still tattoo 8 hours a day, I also have two daughters that need my time. I don't order from china, so my parts don't sit on a shelf. They are all "made to order". How does that not work? Are you a fan of frozen food? Pop it in the microwave and it's done! If so then you are right this won't work for you. I'm not hiding anything or i wouldn't be here. I'm just not promoting any future additions or models or versions any more. If people want to wait till the next version comes out in a year or two, I hope the others using this version don't take there business by then. I'm really not worried by what others think will work and not work. This machine speaks for it's self. First come first served, and the line is almost around the corner already. Please don't post info that's not correct. You can have yours in your hand after purchasing it in a lead time of "UP" to six weeks. It's posted on here and the web site!
O.k now its clear !I dont post infos thats not correct,because i had no infos about waiting time for your machine !Sorry but me as a customer are not interested how busy you are besides machine building ! If you can promisse you have a waiting time of maximum 6 week after a order and not just saying,thats it what i want to know when i have to pay bevor i get something !Its a lot of Trust,or not ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberitual
Whilst on the subject of new rotaries whats going on with that upright rotary(like a swash but with the motor on top)That looked interesting...man what with the new FK irons rotary and the new one from Cary at tattooed pirate we are gonna be spoilt this year...better get saving up me thinks ha ha
Yes i agree, there is always a trust issue in any business transaction. Specialy with a new product being sold by a new company. I completly understand everyones concern, right now everybody feels like its still a gamble. Who is this guy, where did he come from? I already expected that kind of responce from the industry when i went public. I think for who i am and what i achieved so far, im staying at a good pace as to how this business is getting off the ground. As for my words not sounding trust worthy to you, Understandable. Paypal is who we are using. Im hoping that gives our customers some comfort in there purchase, it will be up by friday on our website.
does the brushless motor have a built in esc or are you running one separate and does it require a hall sensor, dont worry i need one of these for a non rotary project lol.
How many volts are you needing to pushing through your brushless motor and how much torque are you requiring? For the use of a brushless DC in my system it does not require ethier. But just like most rotary's on the market some power supplies like the earlier Ikons will shut off after a few min. Most new power supplies have switches for coil or rotary. What are you making if you dont mind me asking?
Hi Cyber,
I've been in contact with your wife on eBay regarding your machine and have a question regarding adjustment of the 'give'. I saw the video that you posted and it looks like it has much flexibility. Am I correct in assuming that the give is proportional to the amount of voltage running through the machine? In other words, are the adjustments: increase voltage for harder hit/less give, decrease voltage for softer hit/more give?
Also, and I know that this subject has been run through the ringer, but would it be possible to provide a pic of the machine next to something like a pack of gum or deck of cards (already mentioned) to give a better idea of the size? I viewed the youtube vid of the machine in action and still can't get an idea of the proportions. Thanks!
no i dont need a power supply, i need the thing that times pulses to a brushless motor and uses a hall sensor to do it. the motor your using must have this built in and you dont see it. this control can be very small, about the size of a penny
maybe it does and i just dont know it, I looked and it doesnt stat that in the specs or the motor. The motor itself is no bigger then 3 quaters stacked on top of each other so it would probably be smaller then a penny if it is enclosed. These motors are not ment for public sale "AS IS" and specs on the motors are not to descriptive for reasons i dont know but im sure it has to do with its military and medical backgound or patents the manufactor has on there motors. Sorry i couldnt help you out bro. If you have a the brushless motor contact the manufactor and ask where and what they recommend for there motor. Research when in your area you will have a design and manufactoring convention. Those cons are amazing!!!
its built into the back plate of the motor. these motors sound very similar to the small motors in those little fans in computers and such, they dont use a hall sensor but use emf feedback for timing instead. very good motors though, but not esc that im trying to build, it will be for positioning on some robotics.
Your selling this machine for $600 bucks and you can't even answer a question about it with certainty? Most builders should know their product inside and out after all they are the builder right? Maybe you don't build the motor but your putting it in something your trying to charge $600 for you should know every aspect of the thing before you put it in your product, just a thought. This is the 1st machine you said you ever built , so basically your charging $600 for a prototype. You have had no experience building machines coil or rotary before this but assume your first run out the gate is worth $600. Not saying $600 is alot for a machine but an unproven machine ... maybe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyberitual
I noticed the way you responded to some of the question and it came off to me at least as very cocky and off putting . These forums have alot of cool people , artist and machine builders that share all they can with each other to better the industry. Then your here saying stuff like " If it comes down to that being a issue, buy one and let me know, it has a international patent on it so i dont care. We have wonderful lawyers too lol." to a simple question of have you built a machine before. just comes of very rude, to me at least.
Stigma Hyper v2 are $535 on eikon's site a proven machine, neo tats run around $300 and thats a machine that earned it credibility the old fashion way, by working excellently, the rapier ( one of the best rotaries I have ever used ) is no where near $600. But all these buildiers come on this site talking shop with no attitude, no boasting, and definitely not proclaiming that " no other machine compares"
I've known you for along time Mike, I just think your being alittle over the top with your approach here. You even PM'd here on this site to offer to let me try you machine but when i said i would post my thoughts after using it on the forums here you never got back to me. I seen you post many times after i sent you my reply so i know it wasn't due to you just not being on the site to read it yet. I work 10 mins from your work. I would give it and honest review, but if your not interested then why offer to let me try it in the first place?
I wish you all the luck in the world with your machine, the look and size is enough to not earn my dollar but if you can find a market all the power to you.
Wow dude, what time is your first appointment tomorrow? I have a 1:00, should take about 2 hours. You have a client before or after that let me know. Even if you hate it and think its a piece of crap. I want you to post your thoughts as honest as possible. You have my number right? I will PM it to you...
if the motor has a an Electronic Speed Control its noticeable. and you need the room in the machine for the circuit even if the circuit is attached to the motor (like some of the high end Maxons for ex). If you have just two terminals then most likely doesn't have ESC.
Take a look at some Helicopter and car racing motors.
It only has your typical 2 terminals. There is no circuitry inside the Centri. It would suck if i needed more room for that lol.
sorry for the delay Goku808 i thought my wife had sent you a pic. Yes the more voltage the faster and longer stroke you get.Quote:
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For those who are interested there is a paypal buy now button on our web site http://www.centritattoo.com thanks again for your guys support and interest!
wow I have been reading all the post ..man bottom line this cat is a dick!!! dale from the uk tattoos full time and hand assembles all his machine, and its a dope ass machine, enough said!! put that in the shit box if you have too.
Seen the pic of the centri against a playing card...Man thats fucking big!!!!....shame as i liked the look of it...think i will be spending my £'s or $'s on something else dont want to be rude but man its a house brick....ive been tattooing 5 years in a studio and yeh im not great but at the end of the day it aint gonna make me any better !...the same as my swash,stigma,hawk or whatever!...the path to me improving lies within myself....
Gansta lol it's gansta, it doesn't pepper shade though!
How is 3.4 oz a brick? Damn you guys say I'm bad, nobody on here that I know of seen it or feel it in person but it's ok to smash it already? To each there own... I'm the new kid on the block, go ahead and pick on me all you want. This system is here to stay.
no one is picking at you cyberitual..its all in your approach! thats all. we on this site embrace new machine and there buildiers just not shitty attitudesQuote:
Originally Posted by Cyberitual
dont forget being humble in this industry is important!! word of mouth will kill you over and over just food for thought.
I saw the video for the first time and just want to ask you if the machine has give also when it pushes the needle out? That's what I think I saw on the video. Just wanted to figure that out.
Just A question question not bashing intended.
Thank you
wondered the same thing
not always, look at the motors on computer fans there esc is built inside and you cant see it from outside, there are few things that i havnt took apart lolQuote:
Originally Posted by fkirons
looks real huge thou even thou its only 3.4 oz. but nevertheless, it looks so futuristic that i wanna get my hands to try on :)
The machine sounds interesting , but I think if I got one I'd void my warranty by taking a dremel to it: Attachment 3081
Since i first starting designing the Centri it has transformed alot, the reason behind its looks and size has purpose aswell. Here are a few images of how the Centri as evolved.Attachment 3082Attachment 3084Attachment 3085Attachment 3086Attachment 3083this protoype was 1/2 inch shorter in length. Do to external options soon to be available, i had to stretch it alittle. FKirons, in the video were you see me pressing on the up side of the armature bar, it equally has the same play and give on the down side. If we look at a coil machine not running, where the armature bar is sitting we will call that position A. When a coil is running and where the armature bar makes contact with the coils we will call that position B. So when you tattoo a with coil we all know that position A is excelerating to position B and coming to a dead stop before retracting "Painful entry". Rotary's as we know decelerate from postion A to position B giving a much more smoother entry but could seriously do some damage cause the rotary's A to B position is locked in place. The Centri uses the rotary's deceleration process and the coils exceleration process at the same. This is were it gets hard to explain with out giving up valuable information. Try to imagine this sensation, If you could press up on a classic rotary's armature bar and in doing so its changing the diameter of rotation... It will slighty gain speed and shorten your stroke at the same time it wants by nature to spin at its maximum diameter pushing pressure into your thumb do to centrifugal force... ok i cant give out any more information. I hope you guys can somewhat understand.
It's a shame you've had to make it bigger,as I think the aesthetics on this machine look so much better. Here's something that may irritate you-I prefer the clipcord,it certainly would look better at least on this machine ,the RCA plug makes it look as long again.
Hahah now I have to take a computer fan apart. Thanks for the knowledge John.Quote:
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I think this could cause even more trauma because for what I understood you said, the deceleration will result in needle hanging out longer therefore ripping skin with as you move your hands.Quote:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, I think the faster the slap is the least painful should be. Imagine piecing your ear slowly or doing it fast. Usually fast skin penetration is least painful that delayed penetration....and this just open my creative mind to come up with some examples not proper for this site lol.
I may be wrong.
Thanks! It's not as big as it looks, then!
Being a piercer and tattooer(by far not the best out there!)It is a balance of both speed and power-to fast hurts like hell-causes micro explosion in tissue,major cell trauma,to slow cause hangup and tearing instead of a cleancut/pierce/poke.
examples: guy tattoos or pierce himshelf with a needle n thread and a guy pierce his lip both go very slow.(piercing takes a 30min to push threw and tattoos is doing slow pokes/dots with a push/pluck method,both will not hurt till the next day but will have major damage in healing etc.
Guy tattoos with a machine runst at 12 volts that machine is set to run on 7.5 and does everything superfast. Then he pierces lip with a superfast hard puncture.Both are going to hurt very bad with bad tears/cell blow outs.
im not saying it doesnt hurt, just hurts less. None of my tattoo have torn the skin. The Centri tattoos like a champ! Its all good, nobody will understand untill there client says so. Who ever gets there hands on one try it on a client for a couple min, then go back to your original machine and let them tell you what they think. I didnt build this machine to reduce pain. I built this machine to prove it can be done! Meaning a rotary with complete give. By accident i ended up with a machine that causes less trauma to the skin. Heals faster too aslong as you know what your doing. I wonder how many knock offs there will be... I know some people are going to break it open to see how it was done, I wish i could see there face's when they realize how simple it was and that its been right there in front of them the whole time. Simplicity is amazing. I installed a 30 second detonator too, so look fast and then run like hell!!! lol