Just to add because I just got off the phone with Cary , He is the easiest guy to deal with in my experience with buying machines. Super informative and tells you straight up no BS on how things are with his products. I will continue to use his machines throughout my career and am glad he makes them so well. Speaking of the machines they are far superior to most I have tried to date (and I have tried a bunch) of course it is to each their own but they do what they are supposed to, combine that with great customer service and whalaaa what else do you need really.