New disposable "Fantom" tubes for cartridge system

**rjdadio** · 09-27-2013, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by FRANCO VESCOVI

About 18 years ago I used to Tattoo with a cosmetic tattoo machine called Mei Che, they had a similar cartridge system, as well as many others but so much time has passed and everyone just assumed cheyenne were the creators and inventors, but really all they did was come out with their own type of cartridge system, something me and other builders should have the right to do as well, I personally don't like the tension and the liner needles from Hawk. I like T TEC but there is much room for many improvements, I have been talking with somebody about teaming up to make another version but only better because we are both tattoo artists who know what we need. After all, Cheyenne Hawk machines were never made for body Art, they were always made just for cosmetic tattooing until the corporate, Money hungry Board of Directors decided to capitalize on our industry. And now they are trying to corner the market so that they could own it all, I don't know what you guys think but that mentality needs to be snuffed quick!

Hey Franco, I don't think it was the Mei Che machine but maybe the KP machine. And the funny thing about the KP.....it was very similar to the Cheyenne.
Mei Che came on after them.....Im pretty sure......but may be wrong.
And our MT Derm folks have bought out a number of the PMU machine companies to have more control over the biz.

**FRANCO VESCOVI** · 09-27-2013, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by rjdadio

Hey Franco, I don't think it was the Mei Che machine but maybe the KP machine. And the funny thing about the KP.....it was very similar to the Cheyenne.
Mei Che came on after them.....Im pretty sure......but may be wrong.
And our MT Derm folks have bought out a number of the PMU machine companies to have more control over the biz.

How are you Ray, Good input on this post. I did a bit of research and found that MeiCha started in 1984 and the KP company best known for their KP-96 rotary machine that was the inspiration that Cheyenne hawk used to create their machines. interesting fact, MeiCha invented the first digital rotary machine to come with disposable parts. As many do not know, MT Derm, the parent company of Cheyenne was started in 1998 by Jörn Kluge, C.E.O and took many ideas from both KP and MeiCha to develop their machine since at the time, those 2 companies were the leaders in Professional permanent make up products. I remember thinking how easy it was to change out the needle tips and how cool if the body art industry would one day follow. Just to inform many of you of their business ethics, they sell their Almost the same needle cartridges for the perm. cosmetic industry for $17 a piece, if this isn't highway robbery, I dont know what is. Someone should tell the many talented perm. make up folks that they can get them for $3-4 but would have to buy the hawk machine.

As for MT Derm trying to take complete control of the industry by means of lobbying the government, I have heard this many times and is complete Bullshit. I hope that quite a few companies come out with cartridges of many sorts so that our artists do not need to be forced to buy only Cheyenne. The biggest let down to Cheyenne was when TTECH came out with a better cartridge with less resistance and much better needles and a fraction of the price. Its not like Cheyenne is making those in Germany, They come also from China.Maybe if Cheyenne produced quality needles at an affordable price, no one would of needed to search elsewhere. Good old corporate greed!

Ray, I still owe you that beer nextime im in AZ!